i can hear a bit of sabbath and steppenwolf and the like, but it really sounds more like yes or elp and ultimately belongs in the same genre as dream theatre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFhqCXl5jb0
Especially in Zombie Queen... You can definitely hear Black Sabbath in it.
Shiteatercrapsuck
Very much like Blue Oyster Cult as well.
garolonlied
I also hear clear King Diamond's influences. P.S. WTF is wrong with koalas, pandas are the ones that must be obliterated.
deathtokoalas
it's not meant to be taken literally in the sense of exterminating koalas. biodiversity is positive. rather, it's meant to imply death to all that which is cute and cuddly. it's an old handle that was mostly reacting to twee culture.
also, what i was trying to get across is that this has it's genealogy in progressive rock.
Yeheah
Dream Theater?
Hahaha, are you on drugs, woman?
deathtokoalas
not today. but the yes influence (it may be via some 80s acts i'm not familiar with) is so dominant that they really do belong more in that category.
to be more specific, it's that operatic synth-based-ness that is shared, but dream theatre stands out as being particularly prog.
the point i'm getting at is that any kids enjoying this aren't going to find that in sabbath or steppenwolf or any other proto-metal. they will find it in early prog. i'm more inclined towards crimson or genesis myself, but yes and elp are better comparisons to this.
and in that sense it draws some pretty strong parallels to dream theatre, even if the conceptual aspect is pretty different
Yeheah
Sorry, still can't see it.
deathtokoalas
i mean, yes could hold a riff alright. elp, less so. it's more the singer that's an acquired taste - one i've never personally been able to get much into. but, anderson's not that different, stylistically, than ozzy, either. if you're citing steppenwolf and zeppelin and sabbath than the high pitch vocals come packaged with it, and yes actually sort of fit in.
garolonlied
Are you french? Since you write Dream Theatre instead of Theater.
deathtokoalas
close. canadian.
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deathtokoalas
theatre is actually the british spelling. being canadian, i spell things like they do there.
theatre.
neighbour.
favourite.
etc.
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deathtokoalas
well, i'm mildly french canadian. 1/16th. my father spoke french as a first language. i spoke it for a bit as a child but have forgotten essentially all of it, as it fell into disuse once i went to school.
so, i could have said i was quebecois; i've identified that way in the past, and many people have previously made the assumption. i tend not to anymore as i've become more aware of my larger ancestry, which is mostly not french. north americans of non-puritan descent tend to have difficulty identifying with a single nationality. i have ancestors in well over a dozen countries. that's pretty normal around here.
i actually think it was a reasonable question, if perhaps a tad irrelevant and mildly invasive. the british spelling of theatre does come via french/latin (although it's a greek word).
Rizzo Fox
I hear some rammstein
garolonlied
Now that you say it... it's pretty obvious.
deathtokoalas
i can't really comment on rammstein, because i think the only rammstein i've ever heard was on the lost highway soundtrack and i don't even really remember what it sounded like. were they something like a watered down kmfdm?
regardless, it doesn't really help kids looking for influences.
garolonlied
They are more like an indus band that have an impressive baritone singer. And catchy riffs in the Rob Zombie fashion.
deathtokoalas
i have to admit that i've heard basically nothing from rob zombie after astrocreep, as well. i like his earlier work, but i get the feeling it doesn't compare well. that description sounds roughly like watered down kmfdm to me, though...
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deathtokoalas
i actually programmed those tracks off the soundtrack, which is one of my favourite discs of the period. was not at all impressed. i dig industrial, but i'm more of a punk and connect to it more through that angle. i've never heard an attempt to merge industrial with metal that didn't make me snicker...
Vegan Veracity
After their first two albums, they become more Neue Deutsche Hart.
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deathtokoalas
i've never seen that term before, but a google search leads me to believe that it means watered down kmfdm.
anything that tries to use the term 'industrial' after the death of dwayne goettel is self-parody. the whole genre died when he did.
garolonlied
Well, referring to Rammstein as a "watered down" version of a "Ministry like band" is pretty minimalist.
deathtokoalas
i never said anything about ministry, and i have to reiterate that i've really barely heard any rammstein, but none of the descriptions bandied around here sound like they describe ministry, who were cyber punk to the core, very well.
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deathtokoalas
the best industrial was all before 1995. there really hasn't been anything worth mentioning since. the following are the essential/key records in the genre
- skinny puppy: last rights, too dark park, vivisectvi
- download: furnace, eyes of stanley pain
- ministry: land of rape & honey, the mind is a terrible thing to taste
- nin: broken, fixed, downward spiral, pretty hate machine
- foetus: deaf, ache, hole, nail, thaw
- coil: horse rotorvator, love's secret domain
- einsturzuende neubauten: kollaps, haus der luege, tabula rasa
i don't think i've missed anything. the rest is superfluous.
