Shawn Murphy
at first i thought his was new Offspring. They have similar sound.

Skylineblue
I don't think they sound similar at all, I hate The Offspring yet I love Rise Against.

alwayssum41
"I hate the Offspring" omfg, go listen to "Smash", or "Ignition", or "Ixnay" albums u_u

dinkum83
I hate them to except for no brakes.. they sound NOTHING alike..

alwayssum41
Nothing alike ? Seriously ? And you're taking for example a song from Americana ? Rofl... As I said before go take a serious look at their first albums... 

deathtokoalas
the vocalists sound similar, and the woahing is very characteristic.

in a certain, sense, though, every punk band from california since 1978 has sounded broadly similar. this does very much sound like the offspring trying to sound like bad religion.

i don't normally find myself agreeing with sum41 fans, but smash isn't just a punk classic but a general rock music classic. ixnay is kind of mixed, but the jerden-driven jane's addiction phase was definitely more interesting than anything they've done since. i've tried to listen to a few of their later records repeatedly, and the biggest problem isn't that they started working in poppier aspects (i could actually deal with that just fine if it were a bit more tasteful; soundgarden's later work is very different but just as interesting as their early work) but that they just started recycling their own songs. i mean, how many times have they redone dirty magic? there was a punkier one (i think it was splinter) that i gave a really close listen to and it's...it's just subpar by any way of measuring it. it's a shame.

but i really just wanted to add that their first record, the self-titled one from the 80s, is a really good listen as well. "kill the president", "tehran", etc.

also, if you like ignition, please check out the damned's classic "smash it up".

alwayssum41
They've redone "Dirty Magic" just once. The original was on Ignition and they've made it again on Days Go By, 'cause it was Ignition's 20th anniversary. I'm not into their new stuff so much even if "DGB" clearly deserve to be listen compare to "R&F/R&G".. And yeah, the self-titled one and Ignition are totally insane albums. Not to mention "Smash" is completely insane too, even if it was their first record on major label.

deathtokoalas
smash was on epitaph - it was actually the best selling independent record ever for a long time (might still be, i don't know). but i meant that they used the chord progression for dirty magic on three or four albums straight. i'd have to look it up to be more specific...

i actually did a cover of dirty magic myself, back in the fall of '98. it draws a little on their sense of humour.

i remember downloading americana and being borderline heartbroken, lol. haven't paid much attention since.

alwayssum41
Sad, since i consider Conspiracy of One a great album as well (the last one with Ron Welty.. :'( ) And yup Smash was on Epitaph, like Ignition was. I just meant this was the first album being able to be this big 'cause of Epitaph's "explosion" (Hope you got me, I'm french and it's hard to explains my feelings in english). Just noticed the "i don't normally find myself agreeing with sum41 fans", ahah I don't get why, they're so great :)

Shawn Murphy
Well. I believe the singers sound similar. The guitar is a more complex than the typical Offspring song but the rhythm guitar is using a simple power chord arrangement like a typical offspring song. I would consider them the same genre.

deathtokoalas
i suppose the complexity in the offspring's guitar work has taken a nose dive since about '97. it's weird to hear somebody say that, though, because one of the things that initially separated the offspring from most of their peers (bad religion notably excepting) was more elaborate, noticeably thrash-influenced guitar work. noodles used to be an interesting player. now that you mention it, that might be the biggest factor in the offspring going substantially downhill.

there are a few breaks that sound a lot like early green day, especially in the open bass notes. and there's a certain melodramatic poppiness that ultimately stems from bon jovi (people get upset when i point out bon jovi's massive influence on modern punk, but it's true). but it really sounds the most like mid 90s bad religion...

...as mentioned, though, all the so-cal punk bands sound very similar (i know they're not from there, but they sure sound like they are). it's never really made a lot of sense to accuse one of ripping the other off. the thing is that this kind of punk is like a type of modern folk: yeah, folk only produced a handful of original compositions, but they kept being redone with different lyrics. that's really what it's about.

it's the same thing with this. there's not a lot of point in questioning it's musical originality. what do people think of what he's talking about? i do get it, though. i have nothing bad to say about their messaging, but, personally, i'd like these guys a lot better if they were a tad less arena rock. i just can't get my fists pumping like that...

it's the root of a simple equation, x^2 - x - 1 = 0. that is, x^2 - x = 1. this can be solved using the quadratic equation. it can also be expressed as a limit. sure, it's sort of neat that the pattern is easily and intuitively grasped, but there's an underlying theory that makes this connection rather unremarkable.

there's nothing mysterious or divine about this. it's just the root of an equation.

well, if somebody released you from a trap (that you may have been stuck in for days) wouldn't you react by feeling a bond of friendship? running off wouldn't be my first reaction. nor do bobcats get a prey response from humans (thankfully), unlike some of the larger cats (doing this with a tiger or a lion or a jaguar or a cougar probably would have gotten these guys eaten).

so, i think what the bobcat saw was some new friends and wasn't particularly keen about leaving them behind, before the truck scared the fuck out of it (caves aren't supposed to roar. da fuck? i'm getting out of here!). it was roaring, but that's a bobcat being a bobcat. it's a shame they didn't give it a bit more time before scaring it off...

obligatory "influential on song of the day" post.

yeah, i got into the process through nine inch nails. well, i was born ten years too late. sorry....

this was novel and exciting to me about late '97 and early '98, and you can certainly hear it.

(relevant tracks: idiotic, others)

obligatory "influential on song of the day" post.

joy division was more a late 90s thing for me. up until that point, i'd heard bits and pieces, but it was one of the many "before my time" things. about mid-98, i was listening to a lot of adore-period pumpkins bootlegs (that much maligned record was better in bootleg form), and corgan was routinely doing a cover of "transmission" (edit: there is a corgan version of isolation under the name starchildren. that was a long time ago...). that convinced me to pick up still second-hand, and i was hooked...

i'd argue this is a more engaging listen than either of their official records. joy division was at it's best when it was existing in that space between punk and goth. there's this sort of malevolence in his voice...

(relevant track: idiotic, too cold, drive, teenage jesus, others)

obligatory "influential on song of the day" post.

i connected with this some time in the early 90s, between achtung baby and zooropa. i was young - around ten. but it was this, rather than war or boy, that introduced me to early u2.

(relevant track: idiotic)