check this out:
and if you're going to parody the style, please try to make it more musically interesting.
Saturday, July 5, 2014
deathtokoalas
this stuff is so absurdly over-rated. back in the day, bands like coil and autechre and nurse with wound actually wrote compositions. this is just a simple loop running in cubase through a stack of vst instruments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIraStrVIGA
(this is a forgotten oneohtrix point never song)
i mean, even eno mostly wrote songs that went somewhere. this is just wallpaper.
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deathtokoalas
i don't think there's much of an evolution in expression at all, there's just a collapse in structure. this isn't remotely sonically innovative.
and if this was actually played rather than sequenced, i'm going to laugh for the next week. but, i don't think it's a juno. that's not analog synth work, it's very digital. and i don't think it's played either, to be honest. it's too locked. so, maybe they used a digital sequencer to drive a d-50 instead of cubase to drive a vst sound engine. it's the same thing....,
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deathtokoalas
it's not a question of writing things down conventionally, although it helps if you can. i happen to know that neither booth nor brown had any understanding of music theory when they started (although i'd argue that quite a bit is audible over oversteps, so they must have picked up a few books), so it wasn't an option for them. rdj, on the other hand, has always leaned rather heavily in that direction.
it's just more of a question of writing pieces that unfold in a complex manner. so, you're asking the wrong question. a better question is if autechre would have ever released anything that is this static in it's approach, and the answer is that they wouldn't have (excluding, perhaps, a few pieces on amber). autechre's stuff tends to unfold and morph rather dramatically. that's all i meant by using the term "composition" - something that is written, however it happens to be written, rather than something that is tossed together haphazardly.
i just listened to it again and i suspect it might actually be generative music. it was probably made in koan or something.
regardless, it's not that it's a bad loop. it's a decent base to build something on. i've done this myself more than once. and, even as a segue, it has the potential to provide a little levity in the middle of a record. but, all his stuff is like this.
even that's not such a thing to get irritated by. it's just the fact that they pulled him out of a significant pool of similar artists that are doing something more interesting.
it's the visuals. he's used them to leap frog over his more talented contemporaries. it's a gimmick. and that bugs me....
i mean, scores by cage or xenakis or whatever tend not to feature a lot of conventional musical ideas, but that doesn't mean they're not compositions. and, i doubt autechre wrote much down, unless you count the programming, but the way they built up tracks, and the attention they spent on microdetails, is very compositional in nature.
you just don't hear that in this guy's work.
this stuff is so absurdly over-rated. back in the day, bands like coil and autechre and nurse with wound actually wrote compositions. this is just a simple loop running in cubase through a stack of vst instruments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIraStrVIGA
(this is a forgotten oneohtrix point never song)
i mean, even eno mostly wrote songs that went somewhere. this is just wallpaper.
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deathtokoalas
i don't think there's much of an evolution in expression at all, there's just a collapse in structure. this isn't remotely sonically innovative.
and if this was actually played rather than sequenced, i'm going to laugh for the next week. but, i don't think it's a juno. that's not analog synth work, it's very digital. and i don't think it's played either, to be honest. it's too locked. so, maybe they used a digital sequencer to drive a d-50 instead of cubase to drive a vst sound engine. it's the same thing....,
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deathtokoalas
it's not a question of writing things down conventionally, although it helps if you can. i happen to know that neither booth nor brown had any understanding of music theory when they started (although i'd argue that quite a bit is audible over oversteps, so they must have picked up a few books), so it wasn't an option for them. rdj, on the other hand, has always leaned rather heavily in that direction.
it's just more of a question of writing pieces that unfold in a complex manner. so, you're asking the wrong question. a better question is if autechre would have ever released anything that is this static in it's approach, and the answer is that they wouldn't have (excluding, perhaps, a few pieces on amber). autechre's stuff tends to unfold and morph rather dramatically. that's all i meant by using the term "composition" - something that is written, however it happens to be written, rather than something that is tossed together haphazardly.
i just listened to it again and i suspect it might actually be generative music. it was probably made in koan or something.
regardless, it's not that it's a bad loop. it's a decent base to build something on. i've done this myself more than once. and, even as a segue, it has the potential to provide a little levity in the middle of a record. but, all his stuff is like this.
even that's not such a thing to get irritated by. it's just the fact that they pulled him out of a significant pool of similar artists that are doing something more interesting.
it's the visuals. he's used them to leap frog over his more talented contemporaries. it's a gimmick. and that bugs me....
i mean, scores by cage or xenakis or whatever tend not to feature a lot of conventional musical ideas, but that doesn't mean they're not compositions. and, i doubt autechre wrote much down, unless you count the programming, but the way they built up tracks, and the attention they spent on microdetails, is very compositional in nature.
you just don't hear that in this guy's work.
cool.
i'm going to ask an obscure favour, and actually throw it right out there for general request. i'm used to writing drum patterns in general midi over track ten using a staff and actual music notation. the reason i like to do it that way is that it provides absolute freedom in terms of time signatures, note lengths, etc. i mean, i may want to drum from 5 to 7 to 13 to 17 and back around to 8 in the space of a few bars, and have 64th note crashes (which may not be possible in reality, but reality isn't important when you're programming drums). vst drum machines generally just cannot provide that kind of flexibility, because they carry the interface forward. i get why they do it - it's what everybody wants - but it would be immensely useful if they'd take on track 10 compatibility so they can read a "regular" midi file, instead of forcing users to reduce themselves to their limitations and quarter note, bar-based interfaces.
that leaves me stuck more or less with using a soundcard emulator (like bandstand) for drums, which gets the job done but kind of takes me out of the drum machine universe, as well.
could you program this thing to read a standard midi file?
i'm going to ask an obscure favour, and actually throw it right out there for general request. i'm used to writing drum patterns in general midi over track ten using a staff and actual music notation. the reason i like to do it that way is that it provides absolute freedom in terms of time signatures, note lengths, etc. i mean, i may want to drum from 5 to 7 to 13 to 17 and back around to 8 in the space of a few bars, and have 64th note crashes (which may not be possible in reality, but reality isn't important when you're programming drums). vst drum machines generally just cannot provide that kind of flexibility, because they carry the interface forward. i get why they do it - it's what everybody wants - but it would be immensely useful if they'd take on track 10 compatibility so they can read a "regular" midi file, instead of forcing users to reduce themselves to their limitations and quarter note, bar-based interfaces.
that leaves me stuck more or less with using a soundcard emulator (like bandstand) for drums, which gets the job done but kind of takes me out of the drum machine universe, as well.
could you program this thing to read a standard midi file?
that's not really a swastika, though. the geometry is similar, but it's a reflected mirror image. i mean, i don't want to get too sensational or silly, but it's kind of like the difference between the pentagram and the star of david. they look similar, but they mean different things.
those "inverted swastikas", which are thought to be a symbol for the sun, are important in hindu and buddhist religion right up to the present day and have been found in indo-european settlements across the eurasian steppes that date back to thousands of years ago. i don't see a reason to doubt that he's using it as a rabbit foot, but his ancestors would have found a more serious, spiritual use for it.
the symbol was also appropriated by christians during the christianization of the steppes and is used as a cross in some regions.
those "inverted swastikas", which are thought to be a symbol for the sun, are important in hindu and buddhist religion right up to the present day and have been found in indo-european settlements across the eurasian steppes that date back to thousands of years ago. i don't see a reason to doubt that he's using it as a rabbit foot, but his ancestors would have found a more serious, spiritual use for it.
the symbol was also appropriated by christians during the christianization of the steppes and is used as a cross in some regions.
uploading the time machine (vst mix) to youtube
i've created a video for the vst mix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtpW0Ve6t8A
original video taken from here without requesting permission:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNc-OzFhDnw
original video taken from here without requesting permission:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNc-OzFhDnw
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