so, we're in. final choice.
it's headphone music....
Saturday, September 7, 2019
so, i'm still toying with this band tonight, which is...
it seems like it's a five piece, with bass, drums and three guitars. but, if you listen to them, it sounds like there's a horn player and a synth player. so, is one of the guitarists using a guitar synthesizer? are they running tapes?
if i listen closely, i can hear a few places where there are three guitars, and a few places where there are two guitars and a synth or horns, but nowhere (yet) where i can pull out three guitars and a synth/horn.
the polyphony suggests that the synth parts are probably not coming from a fret board. it's not a certainty, but it's a balance of probabilities.
so, one of the guitarists could be bouncing back and forth between synth and guitar.
these things are important when trying to determine whether i'm going to enjoy the show or not, as while i do like more reflective sounds, i actually would rather listen to them through headphones at home. a live show is best when it has a lot of energy. if i'm listening to a lot of backing tapes, or sound that is otherwise just triggered via a controller, it's going to get kind of tiring pretty quick.
i kind of wish that the lead parts were a little more the focus.
i'm 88% sure that i'm not going. but i should get through a chunk more of october and then stop to eat and then make a final choice.
it seems like it's a five piece, with bass, drums and three guitars. but, if you listen to them, it sounds like there's a horn player and a synth player. so, is one of the guitarists using a guitar synthesizer? are they running tapes?
if i listen closely, i can hear a few places where there are three guitars, and a few places where there are two guitars and a synth or horns, but nowhere (yet) where i can pull out three guitars and a synth/horn.
the polyphony suggests that the synth parts are probably not coming from a fret board. it's not a certainty, but it's a balance of probabilities.
so, one of the guitarists could be bouncing back and forth between synth and guitar.
these things are important when trying to determine whether i'm going to enjoy the show or not, as while i do like more reflective sounds, i actually would rather listen to them through headphones at home. a live show is best when it has a lot of energy. if i'm listening to a lot of backing tapes, or sound that is otherwise just triggered via a controller, it's going to get kind of tiring pretty quick.
i kind of wish that the lead parts were a little more the focus.
i'm 88% sure that i'm not going. but i should get through a chunk more of october and then stop to eat and then make a final choice.
i do hope that nova scotia gets off ok. and, i feel for the people of the bahamas.
but, i think i want to plan for one weekend, mid-week, instead of two.
that would be wizard rifle on wednesday and hot snakes on thursday, both in far away hamtramck.
at least the buses are relatively early on weekdays.
but, i think i want to plan for one weekend, mid-week, instead of two.
that would be wizard rifle on wednesday and hot snakes on thursday, both in far away hamtramck.
at least the buses are relatively early on weekdays.
and, should i go see hot snakes?
well, $25 is a lot less than the $60+ that massive attack is charging, so it's hot snakes or bust.
but, i was really more of a fan of the bizarre, abstract song structures that drive like jehu erected. and, in terms of later stuff, i would have taken rocket from the crypt over hot snakes.
but, i've never seen them.
let me give the newish thing a listen....
well, $25 is a lot less than the $60+ that massive attack is charging, so it's hot snakes or bust.
but, i was really more of a fan of the bizarre, abstract song structures that drive like jehu erected. and, in terms of later stuff, i would have taken rocket from the crypt over hot snakes.
but, i've never seen them.
let me give the newish thing a listen....
this is a little on the silly end in terms of recordings, but i suspect it'll be entertaining in a live context.
https://thesavageseven.bandcamp.com/
https://thesavageseven.bandcamp.com/
so, it's not that this isn't enjoyable, it's just that i actually don't want to go all the way out there to see it in less than pristine weather.
there's some chance i could change my mind. but, i suspect it's going to lose some kick, live, and come of a little flat; it's probably better through headphones, and that's actually ok. of course, i might be wrong....
if you like the tortoise sound, this is somewhere close to it, although i actually think it's drawing more from dmst. they need to think a bit more about ways to transcend the repetition, though, as they get stuck repeatably.
https://haptikos.bandcamp.com/releases
there's some chance i could change my mind. but, i suspect it's going to lose some kick, live, and come of a little flat; it's probably better through headphones, and that's actually ok. of course, i might be wrong....
if you like the tortoise sound, this is somewhere close to it, although i actually think it's drawing more from dmst. they need to think a bit more about ways to transcend the repetition, though, as they get stuck repeatably.
https://haptikos.bandcamp.com/releases
ok, no. if i'm going to do this, it makes more sense to do it the other way, because there's late shows.
they may have special licenses at dally, which will let me pick up some pre-rolls. i should look into that. if i go down early, that would be the better reason.
but, do i want to go to the math show or not? let's work that out.
so, i'd be looking at something like:
11:00?-19:00 - dally in the alley @ cass corridor. free + beer/pot.
---->20:00-00:00 - math show @ new dodge. $10 + beer.<--------
00:00-02:?? - i'd rather try the industrial night at the high dive. but, it tends to be empty whenever i go. free + beer.
3:00?-8:00? - there's two very late shows downtownish that are the better spots for me to try. $10.
and, if i'm feeling completely insane, i could always bike to ann arbor for snarky puppy.
as you can see, it's pointless without the math show. and i don't know if i actually feel like it or not.
they may have special licenses at dally, which will let me pick up some pre-rolls. i should look into that. if i go down early, that would be the better reason.
but, do i want to go to the math show or not? let's work that out.
so, i'd be looking at something like:
11:00?-19:00 - dally in the alley @ cass corridor. free + beer/pot.
---->20:00-00:00 - math show @ new dodge. $10 + beer.<--------
00:00-02:?? - i'd rather try the industrial night at the high dive. but, it tends to be empty whenever i go. free + beer.
3:00?-8:00? - there's two very late shows downtownish that are the better spots for me to try. $10.
and, if i'm feeling completely insane, i could always bike to ann arbor for snarky puppy.
as you can see, it's pointless without the math show. and i don't know if i actually feel like it or not.
so, the way they set this up doesn't make any sense. they put all the djs on at the same time (there are also two dedicated stages with local djs, but i'm not dancing in an alley in the middle of the afternoon), all the rappers on at the same time, all the hipster pop bands on at the same time and the more interesting stuff stacked to the front of each stage.
why wouldn't they set the stages up in terms of genre? it doesn't make sense to play people off against each other like this.
so, if they spread some of the stuff that is earlier in the day out a little bit, it might make more sense for me. conversely, it might make more sense for other people if they didn't put the hip-hop on all at the same time. as it is, i'm not going to enjoy the r n b or the hip-hop and will not stay for it and, given that the show in hamtramck doesn't start until mid-evening, it doesn't really make sense to go down early.
i'm up, though. it may make sense to leave early, if i can find something else to do for a few hours in the afternoon.
Garden Stage
11:15 Ch'i Machines
12:15 BAVE
1:15 Black Shampoo
2:15 LuFuki and Divine Providence
3:15 The Band Mint
4:15 Copper Thieves
5:15 WHO BOY
6:15 Pet Psychic
7:15 Crimson Alchemist
8:15 Leaf Erikson
9:15 Light Scene Factory
Alley Stage
12:00 Avatar Mode
1:00 Warhorses
2:00 Bryan Hugo Iglesias
3:00 Coastwilde
4:00 BAD FASHION
5:00 Alexis Allon
6:00 Cullen Emadrey
7:00 The Stools
8:00 Cleveland Thrasher
9:00 DUANE D313
10:00 Tony Nova
Forest Stage
11:30 Remnose
12:30 Apropos
1:30 After Dark Amusement Park
2:30 Alyssa Wettlaufer
3:30 Jack Oats
4:30 JAKDD
5:30 Dani Darling
6:30 The Muggs
7:30 Jibs Brown & the Jambros
8:30 Strictly Fine
9:30 Octavia
why wouldn't they set the stages up in terms of genre? it doesn't make sense to play people off against each other like this.
so, if they spread some of the stuff that is earlier in the day out a little bit, it might make more sense for me. conversely, it might make more sense for other people if they didn't put the hip-hop on all at the same time. as it is, i'm not going to enjoy the r n b or the hip-hop and will not stay for it and, given that the show in hamtramck doesn't start until mid-evening, it doesn't really make sense to go down early.
i'm up, though. it may make sense to leave early, if i can find something else to do for a few hours in the afternoon.
Garden Stage
12:15 BAVE
1:15 Black Shampoo
2:15 LuFuki and Divine Providence
Alley Stage
12:00 Avatar Mode
1:00 Warhorses
Forest Stage
stated another way: it's a good drummer with a lot of simple, and sometimes boring, riffs. there's nothing happening in the middle or the top of the mix.
but he's actually a bassist, right?
when something like lightning bolt did this, they made sure to fill up the whole spectrum. that's what they're missing here...
now, you could argue "but, they have singer!", as though this guy's guttural caveman yelping is any substitute, right?
i think they recently had a guitarist. they need to get another one.
but he's actually a bassist, right?
when something like lightning bolt did this, they made sure to fill up the whole spectrum. that's what they're missing here...
now, you could argue "but, they have singer!", as though this guy's guttural caveman yelping is any substitute, right?
i think they recently had a guitarist. they need to get another one.
i just want to add an addendum on the big business show that i missed tonight.
i listened to the record a number of times over the last few days, and they kind of ultimately only really do one thing. yes, the record's a little mixed up, but if you sit down and work it out, almost all of the songs are pretty much identical.
a few listens brought out a bit more of a melodic feel that blunted the cockiness of it - it's admittedly not as dumb as it comes off on first or second listen. but, there's just not that much actually happening in the mix - it's just being saturated by needless drum fills.
in some other set of circumstances, i may have worked it into a longer day. as it is, i suspect that the show was actually quite lacklustre. but, i wasn't there. i don't know.
i listened to the record a number of times over the last few days, and they kind of ultimately only really do one thing. yes, the record's a little mixed up, but if you sit down and work it out, almost all of the songs are pretty much identical.
a few listens brought out a bit more of a melodic feel that blunted the cockiness of it - it's admittedly not as dumb as it comes off on first or second listen. but, there's just not that much actually happening in the mix - it's just being saturated by needless drum fills.
in some other set of circumstances, i may have worked it into a longer day. as it is, i suspect that the show was actually quite lacklustre. but, i wasn't there. i don't know.
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