the only thing worse than shitty 60s folk with a drum machine and an effects rack is shitty 60s folk itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFp7W3PoNPI
it's like the cure.
...without the talent.
so, can we fix the history books, please?
Cristian Arantes
GFY, listen to the music you like and leave that for the real SHOEGAZE fans. That´s have nothing from The Cure.. nor the hair.
deathtokoalas
shoegaze, being defined as using robert smith's production techniques to gloss over byrds or velvet underground covers?
got it.
Elevant
That ain't a drum machine, that's Bobby Gilespie from Primal Scream
deathtokoalas
i know, but he sounds like he was programmed by robin guthrie.
bicklesby1
that's fukn hilarious
Tyler Nichols
I'm not sure that you know what folk is. If anything they were trying to emulate the Velvet Underground. Nothing folk about that.
deathtokoalas
i'd consider the velvet underground to be folk, absolutely. they really weren't doing much of anything all that different than the byrds.
to be clear: i explicitly implicitly meant the velvet underground when i said "60s folk". because that's what the velvet underground was doing...
Steve27775
You're either trolling or you've never heard any Velvet Underground songs. Or both.
deathtokoalas
well, i've certainly heard quite a bit of velvet underground (i might even come close to saying i've heard all of the velvet underground, but there's no doubt some obscurities i'm not familiar with) and i do stand by my assessment as entirely accurate. i could quote zappa on the topic, but, if we ignore the fact that he was an authority on the topic of musicology, who fucking cares, really?
"I liked that album. I think that Tom Wilson deserves a lot of credit for making that album, because it's folk music. It's electric folk music, in the sense that what they're saying comes right out of their environment." - frank zappa, on the banana album
you could take it a step further and point out that the byrds and bob dylan are dominant, overwhelming influences that could only be denied if you've never heard any byrds records.
trolling is only half right. i am trolling in the sense that i'm being consciously inflammatory. however, i do mean to be taken entirely seriously, and in that sense i am not trolling.
TomWHL
no, you´re just trolling. you cannot expect to be taken seriously. you claim shitty 60 s folk (velvet underground) to be the worst thing ever, yet you´ve listened to their entire backcatalogue! why? so you could be trolling on youtube I bet... get a life mate
deathtokoalas
but, i do. and i will be.
t adams
Correct! A drum machine was used for this album. BG was still a member during this period, nevertheless.
ditimely
You need to see the move A Beautiful Noise. Robert Smith himself kneels to the alter of the sound of shoegaze. He did not invent it but is a part of it.
deathtokoalas
i think the argument over who invented this is going to inevitably be entirely contrived. but, there's little question that robert smith was doing this before virtually anybody else, and that the cure was the dominant influence on the sound in the geographic space it came out of.
that's not really my point. my point is how immensely superior his music is compared to a lot of the stuff that gets cited.
this was a long time ago, now. what's important is figuring out who did something interesting, and who was singing shitty folk songs over a drum machine.
this was 30 years ago. there's the same amount of time between this and now as there was between this and elvis, and kids growing up are going to look at it the same way that people living through the 80s looked at elvis. it's the time where we need to cut out the crap and pull out the stuff that's actually worth keeping. and, i don't think this makes the cut....
