but, what about the fear of the underclass not producing enough slaves? it's amazing when you look at the history of homophobia. a consistent narrative jumps out:
1) in the early days, it was often used as a 'gotcha' type thing by the church. so, if you're a philosopher that's talking about all kinds of crazy things like atheism, and you happen to be gay, they could get you on that when they can't get you otherwise. it was often used as a pretext to shut down opposition.
2) during various phases when the empire was weak, it was attacked because it was viewed as hindering population replacement. so, if there was a famine or a plague or a disastrous war, they'd go after the gays for not doing their job in helping to produce more workers and soldiers.
3) under feudalism and slavery, it was attacked because it hindered the ability for the serf or slave's owner to produce further offspring (which would produce more wealth, or be sold).
4) then bondage became replaced by debt, but the prohibition continued for the same reason.
oddly, now that population control (rather than population replacement) is the dominant goal of the elite, the oppression has mostly slowed down, except religious opposition - which is the same basic idea as we've seen throughout history: gay people don't create a new generation of donating church goers.
well, and also in russia. where the population is declining.
this is a bit more developed. my standards in this genre are pretty high, given how easy it is to produce crappy techno. but these are clearly experiments. and i guess the band was clear on what the aim is (ie not dissecting it on youtube). the messaging here is more interesting than most techno. but, the reality is that the topics explored in techno are broadly indicative of the club goers' interests. you can only go so far speaking politics to utility monsters.
but i, for one, would like to hear this idea worked out in more detail. for the record...
lol.
i'm a long time fan of mt zion and also a fan of 90s techno/industrial as much as i am a fan of abstract rock music, so i can get into this as well as anybody would expect anybody else to. but, they dropped the counterpoint. that's something they're excellent at, and that works very well in this style of music. this kind of drags without it.
and don't throw your guitars away, dammit. techno is done best with guitars.
deathtokoalas
i think your music is as uncreative as your spamming.
thebenhavens
thats the point
deathtokoalas
hrmmn. well, the shaggs concept doesn't quite work when it's contrived, either. to pull that off, it has to accidentally suck, and in the process be weird and unique. this just sounds like somebody failing at ripping on sonic youth. with a cheap drum machine. further, if you listen to no wave carefully, it's apparent that you're mostly dealing with really talented musicians. the time signatures are often pretty weird, and the syncopation is generally pretty complex. the other (and perhaps better) name for no wave was punk jazz - because with all the weird tones and complicated rhythms that's really precisely what it was. it only comes off as noisy chaos to an untrained ear.
this is actually something that comes up pretty regularly with hipster shit that derives from the animal collective, and that i hold them directly responsible for. there's a lot of different ways to approach making noise, but you can draw a pretty clear line between approaching it in a cohesive and articulated manner that produces something approaching "art" and just flailing around making sound with no purpose. it's really frustrating that we now have a generation of kids that doesn't really understand the difference.
anyways, if you're trying to suck then you've succeeded. but you haven't succeeded in sucking in any kind of profound or interesting way.
thebenhavens
I appreciate the brutal honesty. hopefully I learn something. the thing about this is I knew the drum machine sucked, but it was all I had. so in the dyi spirit I said fuck it. the thing you say about cohesive and flailing noise, if I had any intention it was to completely ignore that line and make a hideous monster.
I wanted to be blindfolded with a flame thrower.
deathtokoalas
yeah, but i've worked with basic drum machines. there's a lot of things that can be done with them. this was programmed directly into an ry30, for example: http://jasonparent.bandcamp.com/track/wait-this-doesnt-feel-like-mdma-guys
and you can basically recreate morton subotnick or pink floyd or tangerine dream's entire studio in free software nowadays. with limitless free possibilities, that's a really bad cop out.
i think this is vaguely what you're trying to do:
i was more mad at you for spamming me. you sound like a kid that doesn't know what they're doing, but the world produces a small number of mozarts so that's ok. keep working at it. but you've got a lot of work to do...
thebenhavens
that fly pan am is pretty cool. it seems they did a much prettier nicer sounding thing. I didn't really mean to use the drum machine as a cop out in know there are a lot of bands that do really good jobs using them hell some of the heaviest slam, gore, porno -grind etc. metal stuff is drum machines too so thats no excuse. I sorta just meant to mention it.
i have a lot of other things ive wrote but never recorded but none of it is experimental, if that's the right word, its more standard verse chorus riffs fare or open chords on an acoustic so im trying to step out of my comfort zone and challenge those standards we/i/they have created. maybe ill record some of that and get it on here too, then you can judge some of my other stuff too
deathtokoalas
my opinion is irrelevant. do what you want.
