"man. how are we ever going to get a third party elected when the top-two candidates are just bought to serve corporate interests?"
"what if we elect three people?"
"DUDE. that's fucking brilliant! then they can buy out the top-two, and we can still vote for the third! we gotta get this done."
"hey, it's not a microphone."
"shit. sorry"
a noble goal. but, what's stopping them from buying out five candidates?
there's no answer with a representative government. it's direct democracy or fascism. no, it is. it's binary. it's closed-minded. but it's true.
i can understand why fans of later elo might not find this record as interesting using the metrics they're using, but it's really the most substantial thing they ever did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKtrdT6dxNg
deathtokoalas
i used to dance my little brains out to this when i was about 4 or 5.
i realize now that it's a little racist, but it didn't cross my mind at the time.
Joe Primal
There's nothing racist about it.
Tahoe Nevada
Egypt is a country, not a race.
deathtokoalas
that's a bit of a loaded statement, as it's not clear if you're referring to indigenous egyptians (who have distinct language and customs) or the colonial arab presence in egypt.
it's not really a meaningful point. there's a significant amount of cultural exploitation going on in the track. way-ooo-way-ooo?
Joe Primal
"The old paintings on the tombs, they do the sand dance, don't you know." The song is just a fun spoof about ancient Egyptian artistic style. Nothing more. 'Cultural exploitation.' LOL.
deathtokoalas
it's more, take it in a bit more critically.
i'm not suggesting it's a type of hateful or supremacist racism. it's the kind that converts meaningful cultural ideas into campy commodities for western markets - a type of colonialism. exploitation is the right word.
the band may have thought they were being "open-minded", and the basis of that position is laudable, but it's important to be aware of the cultures you're drawing on so as to not do so in a way that is insensitive to them.
the fact that the egyptian culture has been extinct for thousands of years doesn't really matter. it means there really isn't anybody to get pissed off about the appropriation of symbols for profit, except maybe egyptologists. but the reality is that the symbols aren't even really well understood. egyptologists are mostly bullshitting their way through life. it doesn't mean it shouldn't be avoided, whether the target is a dead culture or not.
did it cross your mind to ask what those hand gestures actually meant?
wuzzum
i see no racism, stereotypes at most
deathtokoalas
you know, i don't want to sit around and split hairs over the precise meaning of "racism"; i've studied a bit of math, and i know that things get really circular and kind of meaningless when you try and define your axiom system too strictly. racism should be left as an undefined term. maybe nobody's entirely sure exactly what it is, but you know it when you see it.
insofar as the relationship between stereotypes and racism goes, there's somewhat of an overlapping region....you're supposed to use venn diagrams in public because everybody took first year psych....so, think of each as a circle with a non-trivial intersection point. so you can't really define one in terms of another, you have to look at them as distinct but related things. it's certainly entirely wrong to suggest that stereotypes are never racist - that intersection point exists. whatever racism is.
in fact, the kind of racism i was thinking of was the kind that's mostly stereotypes. again: it's not a hateful kind of way, it's more of a belittling, trivializing sort of way.
again: there aren't any ancient egyptians around to get upset about it. but that doesn't really work itself into the equation as to if it's racist or not.
i think you need to be careful, or you're going to get a "what her eyes really mean" request and/or generate that video.
i'm going to avoid misanthropic rantings because this is clearly not meant to be taken seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWJatginx68
deathtokoalas
i'm not sure if tyson was born into the autism spectrum or has suffered extreme brain damage from fighting, but it's quite clear that he is suffering from a level of mental retardation that requires empathy rather than condemnation or ridicule.
SeerTruth
What? Again, what? Are you out of touch? He put that media jug head right in his place quite bluntly and firmly.
Mike has seen it all, and he's quite sharp.
deathtokoalas
as a spectrum disorder, autism doesn't necessarily imply a complete lack of understanding, but his behaviour certainly demonstrates a lack of understanding of social consequences, which is a more precise marker to use in diagnosis.
fwiw, i'm undiagnosed, but suspect i may be high-functioning asperger's. i don't need the kind of day-to-day help that mike seems to require (have you ever seen him give an interview on his own?) but i have a lot of social problems. way to miss the point by insulting me for it...
what you'll notice with asd people is that they're often able to "tell it like it is", and they may get a little solidarity for it, but what defines that ability to transcend social conditioning is actually an inability to conform to it.
that blatant honesty isn't a demonstration of not being asd, it's a symptom of it.
poposisa
I would date you anyway
deathtokoalas
regardless of the nature of the comment, you're going to get turned down. i don't date...
poposisa
How would you reproduce then?
deathtokoalas
i've made a conscious decision not to, for a variety of complex reasons that aren't necessary to state or deconstruct in this space.
MikeWoz
Your brain and mindset will change, and that decision may end up changing as well. Besides the point, Tyson reacted a little too strongly. But that doesn't change the right he has to be angry. That rat shit as Mike put it mentioned something completely irrelevant to the context at the time.
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deathtokoalas
if you want to get into it, i don't think anybody voting for ford at this point is going to change their view of him because he hangs out with convicted rapists. that's the blunt diagnosis from a politically aware canadian not far from toronto.
MikeWoz
Coming from someone that lives in the GTA as well, I can honestly say that politics doesn't interest me very much. A conviction 25 years ago has nothing to do with Rob Ford now.
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deathtokoalas
canada has a large marijuana industry, and there are persistent rumours that there's state involvement, but we don't have the kind of political integration with cocaine distribution that exists in the republican party.
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deathtokoalas
again: autism doesn't really mean "stupid", it has more to do with social interactions.
guybxloving
Mike Tyson is tired of reporters acting like they are on the up and up with him and then trying to humiliate him in front of the camera on in the tabloids. Before an interview there is a pre-interview in which the reporter generally informs the person about what is to be discussed. When a reporter wants controversy he or she will through a sucker punch by asking an off question that was not discussed in the pre-interview. This is what probably happened here. Mike trusted this guy and that's why he went off. i applaud you Mike! Call a spade a spade!
BMC BMC
when Mike Tyson isn't pissed he is a very intelligent kind person I guess some people pay attention more to the negative all his career he has been belittled because of the way he may speak in the way his mind works he comes off weird or crazy all the time but a lot of the positive things he has done or interviews that he has had go ignored, not fair
CANNABIS SEEDS USA
He did his time in jail and he doesn't owe some punk ass reporter who's trying to make a career out of I gotcha reporting..
deathtokoalas
true or not, that's not the point i'm making or that a lot of these comments are reinforcing. there's a pattern of behaviour.
kamionkami1
Do you even know what he went through growing up? Who he was and where he is today? Maybe some research would answer your question
deathtokoalas
i have a rough outline. i can't for the life of me see what people get out of it, but my dad was a boxer before i was a born (and had a few broken noses to show for it) and a fan of it, so i picked some things up. from what i understand, he was badly taken advantage of - like many autistic people are.
kamionkami1
he was ripped off bad in boxing but boxing in general wasnt the fucked up shit. Look into his life before boxing
deathtokoalas
that's not what i'm saying. i think a part of his mistreatment may have been a consequence of how autistic people are treated in our society. from what i know about his life, it fits very well.
