well, jack white is almost 40, now. yeah, that's crazy, huh? so, i guess it's time to be more subtle and introspective and grown-up and all that other boring shit.
it'll happen to you, too.
</grandpa simpson>
on principle, it's not a bad thing if he wants to be a little more sophisticated. it's just that the nashville direction he's spinning in isn't going to sit well with a lot of the fans he's built up on the dirty garage/psych side of things, who'd rather hear his sophistication branch out in more of a tame impala direction (to use a contemporary act as a reference point). bluntly, a lot of us are probably going to finally trip the line with this and admit we're bored by it - not because it's "more sophisticated" but because it's just wandered too far out of our sphere of interest. the couple of mahavishnu romps seem forced. and, note that mahavishnu was not the sonics, huh?
and, that's fine. he doesn't need the cash. and we can all find something else to listen to. but, if he's smart, and he is, he'll find a way to better align his marketing apparatus with his musical future.
deathtokoalas
well, jack white still has the best tone ever in the history of guitars. man, that thing just squeals.
i'm going to interpret the rest of this as tongue-in-cheek, but i'm not really sure what the point of taking jsbx to as far of an ironic extreme as is possible really is....
ahmad almheiri
The guitar work is VERY similar to Led Zeppelin, but not nearly as good. But still a good song.
deathtokoalas
this particular track demonstrates an overall primary influence from john mclaughlin, rather than jimmy page. it's subtle, but trust me.
Justtryme90
I wish more people were influenced by Mclaughlin, Mahavishnu Orchestra are amazing.
deathtokoalas
well, it's easy to forget that it's also the case that john mclaughlin's biggest fan and primary protege was....jimmy page. he'd probably have spent the rest of his life doing session work for country musicians if mclaughlin didn't take him aside and show him a few things. but, the violin work here is very mahavishnu and the overall style is an update on the graham bond organization through a filter of jon spencer.
Ademga348
zepelin are shit band if you dont know
Thomas Haley
Zeppelin are one of the very first true Metal bands along with Sabbath. And Jimmy Page was one of the greatest guitarist ever.
deathtokoalas
but, the fact that they were early metal is why they were often a shit band. that being said,they did a few solid blues jams, and wrote a few proto-punk tunes. it's not all bad. but, most of it is...
ZGrep58
Just because a guitarist claims that his riff was stolen 40 YEARS after a massive hit was released does not mean it is true. The two songs sound faintly similar. If it was really stolen don't you think he would have noticed when it came out considering that Stairway was a massive hit?
deathtokoalas
just fwiw, these accusations of stairway being a rip are not new. i remember hearing about them when i was learning to play stairway in the early 90s (my guitar teacher at the time was a 60s/70s rock expert. he had me doing the blues classics: santana, zeppelin, hendrix. but he also had me doing some prog, like genesis. i started teaching myself nirvana, soundgarden, pumpkins, etc a few years later - and also some forgotten stuff like collective soul that had some tasty guitar playing. i think it was come as you are that got me first, but i remember spending a lot of time with superunknown and siamese dream, particularly.). i agree that it certainly took them long enough to file legal action, but it's not like nobody noticed.
further, page is known to have stolen many, many other riffs from early blues guitarists, as well as from john mclaughlin. and, that itself is really only contemptible in the context of how much money he made from it. the blues are not about artistic creativity, they're about personal expression. all the blues guitarists stole riffs from each other.
if there was absolute justice in the world, the boot of god would come down from the sky, kick jimmy in the ass and redistribute his sizable fortune across about 50 blues guitarists, many of colour, and most of whom are now dead. alas...
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deathtokoalas
well, stairway isn't really a blues tune. and the rip is more in the arrangement.
deathtokoalas
ok, so i've never heard anybody point out that jeff martin looks like jim morrison. really. original comments, guys.
but, have you noticed that muse has really picked up on the electro-morrocan-roll theme? i don't think tea party ever really hit success outside of canada, did they? i think there's a lot of muse fans that would have their mind blown if sent through here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q39q0fT3YiE
ez comes
HUGE fan base in Australia ... in fact Tea Party just returned from an Aussie tour. 'Temptation' just won me a pair of tickets to the Kool Haus show Toronto :)
deathtokoalas
i'm actually living in their hometown right now, and i recently even found a copy of the very first demo they send to the local radio station here at a garage sale, and i've skipped a few chances to see them recently. i saw them something like ten times in the 90s. but i'm kind of scared to go see them now. i know, it's not fair, and everything, but it's just the truth of it. there are a lot of bands from the period that i can't get the courage to go see now...
Juliette Zephyr
Why?
deathtokoalas
it just really has the potential to ruin memories. especially a band like this, that puts the vocal tone so close to the center of the sound.
Juliette Zephyr
Oh; I get it...
hey, i bought this record, but i was really disappointed by it. i think it's held up a little better than i would have suggested it was going to at the time, but it remains pretty mediocre.
with all the bullshit emo revisionism floating around, i realize the disc has taken on a different meaning than it ever really actually had. but the truth is hum were more or less just ripping off the smashing pumpkins....and not doing so particularly well...
everybody that i knew that liked hum was basically clinging on to a style that corgan himself was in the process of discarding. people desperately wanted a new smashing pumpkins record in the classic style. this was the closest thing they could find.
when hum collapsed, they were actually a casualty of alternative rock's fall from the mainstream - they were ten years behind their time, not ten years ahead of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqGbCCFgKs
deathtokoalas
i remember picking this up in the mid 90s on massive mad rec from the smashing pumpkins online fan community (alt.fan.smashing-pumpkins) and just being massively disappointed. there was a sort of basic aesthetic similarity, the drummer is obviously a jimmy chamberlin fan, but it sounded like the pumpkins post-lobotomy - no passion, no emotion. the delivery is just totally cold and robotic. the lead work has no individuality whatsoever. keep in mind that adore hadn't even been released yet...
i ended up finding what i was looking for in sonic youth, and, a little later on, my bloody valentine.
brandon blackwell
The muted vocal style brings out the background and lyrics and really, the song itself.
I love the 90s Pumpkins and all but Hum is king.
deathtokoalas
when you separate yourself this far from the music, you eliminate the art form and reduce it to some kind of stale academic exercise. it's boring...
Dale Hensley
I think you'd be more impressed with downward is heavenward. That's got more forward tunes on it. He's always had that monotone voice though. I don't know if it's this deliberate separation, with the goal of being this obviously individual band. Hum is associated with that whole mid-west emo scene, but I think they're closer to bands like Codeine (sad-core, or whatever the hell it is). I think they stick out more because the music has this nice progression to it, and it's more emotionally involved. I think the monotone voice compliments that idea. It's fucking awesome, in my humble opinion.
deathtokoalas
i actually picked them both up at the same time, and i did indeed like downward is heavenward a bit more.
KDowah
"seperate yourself" from the music? That sounds rather subjective.
deathtokoalas
they seem to be approaching the task of writing a song in the same way that people solve math problems, rather than as an outlet of expression. ironically, i find that this is a dominant characteristic of what has been strangely called "emo" - it's lack of emotional investment, in favour of this stale, clinical approach.
Andrew D
You are only here to criticize and that is sad. Im sure you can find better things to do with your life than try to be a cold glass of water.
deathtokoalas
sometimes, we all need a cold glass of water dumped on us.
i'm here to analyze. there's a difference.
best deftones record ever.
not sarcastic. they're actualizing the vision in a way deftones haven't been able to. maybe they have more freedom to avoid constraints and preconceptions. dunno. but for somebody that's tried more than twice to get into deftones, and would definitely enjoy their work more if they'd drop the macho stupidity, this hits the spot.
there's a new album out any day, now. i'd argue it's one of the most anticipated records of the year....
deathtokoalas
yeah, i couldn't get into the earlier stuff either, but what's breaking through the sound on the disc is the stacked 6ths - which is an oldskool melodic hardcore thing. i know you want to think newer bands. but, i'd be more likely to suggest it's in utero + brian baker + husker du. i'm wanting to take it back a bit because it doesn't have the kind of pointless macho aggression that really ruined hardcore through the 90s and into the 00s, but has mostly receded through this "screamo revival" thing. so, i'd actually want to align it with stuff like animal faces, touche amore, defeater, native....
i caught 'em in a 50 person bar in ottawa last year and it was definitely a show of the face melting variety - and the right way to experience the record.
Taimir Gore
What are stacked 6ths?
deathtokoalas
there's a technical definition that i'm using a little bit haphazardly, but what i mean to say is that the chords often include the sixth of the scale in them, as well as higher notes (like a transposed 4th). that gives it that thicker, jazzier sound. as mentioned, it's a defining characteristic of 80s hardcore.
Taimir Gore
Ah okay. Makes sense.
it's too bad they're into all the cliched satanic imagery and dumbass metal poseur bullshit, which tends to attract morons, because these kids can put down a riff when they need to. it's like if you gave the melvins a lobotomy...
this one actually stands up alright without vocals, but i think it's partly because i'm less conditioned to portishead and spiritualized.
