the guitar work is pretty lame, too. they fixed that on the next record, which is the only thing they've done that has a remote chance of being remembered after their fan base dies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb6izAqdTnc
Wednesday, August 20, 2014
this record is a tad better (the second track is one of their few interesting songs), but it's still incredibly boring in it's bland disco-oriented repetition. repetition can be powerful, but not when it's meant for dancing to. the hardest thing about listening to talking heads nowadays - and the thing that is going to lock them in the 70s as being unable to transcend their function as popular dance music, historically speaking - is really the absolutely pathetic drumming that runs through all their records. it completely sucks the music of any kind of actual life force, reducing it to this prodding snooze....
the guitar work is pretty lame, too. they fixed that on the next record, which is the only thing they've done that has a remote chance of being remembered after their fan base dies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb6izAqdTnc
the guitar work is pretty lame, too. they fixed that on the next record, which is the only thing they've done that has a remote chance of being remembered after their fan base dies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb6izAqdTnc
deathtokoalas
it's nothing more than a weak emulation of bowie's disco phase. deal with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD7G9Bkd3V0
also, it needs less cowbell.
robin overstreet
you are looking for trouble now...
deathtokoalas
it's the bloody truth, deal with it.
robin overstreet
i`m sending to you an army of koalas, they will make you understand
deathtokoalas
we are slowly being invaded by the koalas, and robin has had his mind stolen by them. how can i make the world understand that we must declare a war on koalas before it is too late?
robin overstreet
your g+ account has turned me into one of yours; right here there`s a koala killer at your service...
deathtokoalas
the koalas have clearly underestimated my intelligence, for i am not so easily swayed by obvious koala agents...
robin overstreet
not a koala agent, i swear!!!! i`m just like you, but from many miles away; from the end of the world... you know?
deathtokoalas
you can tell your koala overlords that justice and freedom will always prevail, we will eventually stand united and we will never be defeated. we will not be reduced to eucalyptus planting slaves. we will overcome!
robin overstreet
you are just making me love you more!!!!! i would never let monsanto turn you into a veggie, pinky promise!!!!!
deathtokoalas
if the koalas have indeed infiltrated monsanto, then we are at a desperate breaking point, for a superstrain of eucalyptus tree could conceivably smother the world's agricultural production and starve us all in preparation for their takeover. of course! such a diabolical plot, hidden behind the nefarious cuteness...i feel that the resistance must be taken to a new level.
it is not safe to post further details here. but those who wish to join the resistance must contact me immediately - i fear it may already be too late.
robin overstreet
Monsanto closed a deal with Uruguay, did you know? Marihuana is now legal there, and the uruguayian state is a producer... the catch is that the only seed that is legal is the one that this maleficient koalaish company produces... isn`t that interesting?
deathtokoalas
i fear that the master plan is to replace the thc with eucalyptol, in further preparation for their take over. pure, unspeakable evil...
robin overstreet
i will fight by your side when the demonic "ufo`s" invade us... viva la resistance!!!!
deathtokoalas
the aliens are a psy-ops plot by the koalas to distract from their actual invasion. oh, how clueless and naive we truly are in the face of the koala invasion! i do hope i am not merely another ignored prophet and that my words are heeded: the war against koalas is necessary.
robin overstreet
the only prophet that counts is the one that is ignored...
it's nothing more than a weak emulation of bowie's disco phase. deal with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD7G9Bkd3V0
robin overstreet
you are looking for trouble now...
deathtokoalas
it's the bloody truth, deal with it.
robin overstreet
i`m sending to you an army of koalas, they will make you understand
deathtokoalas
we are slowly being invaded by the koalas, and robin has had his mind stolen by them. how can i make the world understand that we must declare a war on koalas before it is too late?
robin overstreet
your g+ account has turned me into one of yours; right here there`s a koala killer at your service...
deathtokoalas
the koalas have clearly underestimated my intelligence, for i am not so easily swayed by obvious koala agents...
robin overstreet
not a koala agent, i swear!!!! i`m just like you, but from many miles away; from the end of the world... you know?
deathtokoalas
you can tell your koala overlords that justice and freedom will always prevail, we will eventually stand united and we will never be defeated. we will not be reduced to eucalyptus planting slaves. we will overcome!
robin overstreet
you are just making me love you more!!!!! i would never let monsanto turn you into a veggie, pinky promise!!!!!
deathtokoalas
if the koalas have indeed infiltrated monsanto, then we are at a desperate breaking point, for a superstrain of eucalyptus tree could conceivably smother the world's agricultural production and starve us all in preparation for their takeover. of course! such a diabolical plot, hidden behind the nefarious cuteness...i feel that the resistance must be taken to a new level.
it is not safe to post further details here. but those who wish to join the resistance must contact me immediately - i fear it may already be too late.
robin overstreet
Monsanto closed a deal with Uruguay, did you know? Marihuana is now legal there, and the uruguayian state is a producer... the catch is that the only seed that is legal is the one that this maleficient koalaish company produces... isn`t that interesting?
deathtokoalas
i fear that the master plan is to replace the thc with eucalyptol, in further preparation for their take over. pure, unspeakable evil...
robin overstreet
i will fight by your side when the demonic "ufo`s" invade us... viva la resistance!!!!
deathtokoalas
the aliens are a psy-ops plot by the koalas to distract from their actual invasion. oh, how clueless and naive we truly are in the face of the koala invasion! i do hope i am not merely another ignored prophet and that my words are heeded: the war against koalas is necessary.
robin overstreet
the only prophet that counts is the one that is ignored...
deathtokoalas
whatever bite this had in the late 70s has been lost over the course of time. today, this sounds like just about the most bland and simplistic elevator music you could possibly come up with, and produces visions of 50 year-old bourgeois liberals in expensive loafers doing a brainstorming session at google. talking heads have simply not aged well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9CjnDufqeQ
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deathtokoalas
ugh. do you know how many posts i've deleted from people claiming i don't "get it"?
it's not that i don't get it.
it's just that it's incredibly boring.
i mean, if this is your idea of difficult music, you've got the bar set pretty low...
Lucius Albinus
'Gotta agree with you. I keep seeing this guys mentioned along side the greats of the 'punk' genre...and it's like: Really? These guys?
deathtokoalas
they were kind of just there in new york at the same time. i mean, this isn't punk rock, really - it's drawing very heavily on the prog flavour of mid to late 70s bowie. there's some tepid political commentary, but it's hardly at the same level of criticism. they were kind of more like the house disco band at cbgbs.
forty years later, it's hard to see why anybody wouldn't just listen to bowie...
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deathtokoalas
music critics need to engage with certain things they may not particularly enjoy. the talking heads overlap with a number of my interests: eno, belew, bowie, new york city in the late 70s. they have a place in existing music histories, and they've tended to generate mixed reviews. analyzing their output is highly relevant in a number of historical contexts, even if it's simply to suggest not to bother with them.
whatever bite this had in the late 70s has been lost over the course of time. today, this sounds like just about the most bland and simplistic elevator music you could possibly come up with, and produces visions of 50 year-old bourgeois liberals in expensive loafers doing a brainstorming session at google. talking heads have simply not aged well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9CjnDufqeQ
(deleted posts)
deathtokoalas
ugh. do you know how many posts i've deleted from people claiming i don't "get it"?
it's not that i don't get it.
it's just that it's incredibly boring.
i mean, if this is your idea of difficult music, you've got the bar set pretty low...
Lucius Albinus
'Gotta agree with you. I keep seeing this guys mentioned along side the greats of the 'punk' genre...and it's like: Really? These guys?
deathtokoalas
they were kind of just there in new york at the same time. i mean, this isn't punk rock, really - it's drawing very heavily on the prog flavour of mid to late 70s bowie. there's some tepid political commentary, but it's hardly at the same level of criticism. they were kind of more like the house disco band at cbgbs.
forty years later, it's hard to see why anybody wouldn't just listen to bowie...
(deleted post)
deathtokoalas
music critics need to engage with certain things they may not particularly enjoy. the talking heads overlap with a number of my interests: eno, belew, bowie, new york city in the late 70s. they have a place in existing music histories, and they've tended to generate mixed reviews. analyzing their output is highly relevant in a number of historical contexts, even if it's simply to suggest not to bother with them.
deathtokoalas
i spent quite a bit of time over '10 and '11 sorting through a lot of *wave/*house music, trying to find some decent new "idm", after coming to the conclusion that it was my most likely source. idm was a 90s term used to refer to the more elaborate type of electronic music you'd find on the warp records label (amongst other places), in contrast to your typical club-oriented 4/4 boom-boom house music. i guess the distinction is still pretty real, contrasting this to your average pile of edm garbage.
there was a low signal to noise ratio, but i ended up finding a lot of stuff i really liked. i also came to the conclusion rather quickly that it wasn't going to find an audience off bandcamp. it just seemed inherently closed. it almost seemed like i was peering into the kind of alternate universe that is inhabited entirely by children and would therefore evaporate, by definition, at the precise moment an adult were to find out about it. i drifted off when i realized i was missing a brief moment in time where punk rock had managed to reclaim itself from the suck...
i didn't bump into salem at the time. but, it's nice to see some of the more abstract stuff has managed to leap frog over the washed outs and neon indians of the world into a bigger audience...
there's nothing lo-fi about the production on the track. this is built up using the same kind of software that every mainstream artist uses (lo-fi in the 90s was defined by using simpler technology; that is not true for this), it's just manipulated to sound heavily distorted. it would have taken a lot of trial and error and careful effort to get to the final point. you can't nail this on that basis - not any more than you can call my bloody valentine badly produced, or butch vig a hack fucking around with some fuzz pedals.
further, the voicing on the sampling is quite intricate. you can not like it if you want, but tearing this down for a lack of musicality is merely a demonstration of ignorance.
i bumped into a large amount of really shoddy chillwave when i was exploring. it's out there, and it can be as horrific as the worst examples of any other genre...
...but this is actually pretty good, for what it is.
Woozz93
House is EDM, no matter how it is done, it's far from being IDM. Witch House is no exception, it's not IDM music.
deathtokoalas
the distinction we used in the 90s was the question of "is it meant to dance to?" or "is it meant to listen to?". the term at the time was eBm (meaning electronic body/booty music).
there's always been some grey area. coil is often cited as an influence, and it falls firmly into the idm sphere; skinny puppy is considered a pioneer in dark music, but they fall equally into both camps (you can dance to it, but you can also interpret it as "art rock" or even "progressive rock").
i think that the "house" in "witch house" is sort of a misnomer. it's not really coming out of that scene. it's more of a watered down type of industrial music.
that said, even if a lot of the influence of the *house/*wave stuff is in the idm sphere, there's really no use in trying to draw a clean partition. i think that certain house artists would argue it's rather insulting to suggest that what they do is never listenable outside of the dance floor - it would strip them of any claim to artistry. the claim may be inherently weaker than in other forms of music, but it's not absent. it's a non-trivial intersection.
there was a band out of chicago in the 80s called die warzau that was close to the chicago house sound, but tossed in all kinds of artistic curves. and, the aphex twin himself came out of the acid house movement.
so, i think you need to rethink that.
jazzy jay
house is house
i spent quite a bit of time over '10 and '11 sorting through a lot of *wave/*house music, trying to find some decent new "idm", after coming to the conclusion that it was my most likely source. idm was a 90s term used to refer to the more elaborate type of electronic music you'd find on the warp records label (amongst other places), in contrast to your typical club-oriented 4/4 boom-boom house music. i guess the distinction is still pretty real, contrasting this to your average pile of edm garbage.
there was a low signal to noise ratio, but i ended up finding a lot of stuff i really liked. i also came to the conclusion rather quickly that it wasn't going to find an audience off bandcamp. it just seemed inherently closed. it almost seemed like i was peering into the kind of alternate universe that is inhabited entirely by children and would therefore evaporate, by definition, at the precise moment an adult were to find out about it. i drifted off when i realized i was missing a brief moment in time where punk rock had managed to reclaim itself from the suck...
i didn't bump into salem at the time. but, it's nice to see some of the more abstract stuff has managed to leap frog over the washed outs and neon indians of the world into a bigger audience...
there's nothing lo-fi about the production on the track. this is built up using the same kind of software that every mainstream artist uses (lo-fi in the 90s was defined by using simpler technology; that is not true for this), it's just manipulated to sound heavily distorted. it would have taken a lot of trial and error and careful effort to get to the final point. you can't nail this on that basis - not any more than you can call my bloody valentine badly produced, or butch vig a hack fucking around with some fuzz pedals.
further, the voicing on the sampling is quite intricate. you can not like it if you want, but tearing this down for a lack of musicality is merely a demonstration of ignorance.
i bumped into a large amount of really shoddy chillwave when i was exploring. it's out there, and it can be as horrific as the worst examples of any other genre...
...but this is actually pretty good, for what it is.
Woozz93
House is EDM, no matter how it is done, it's far from being IDM. Witch House is no exception, it's not IDM music.
deathtokoalas
the distinction we used in the 90s was the question of "is it meant to dance to?" or "is it meant to listen to?". the term at the time was eBm (meaning electronic body/booty music).
there's always been some grey area. coil is often cited as an influence, and it falls firmly into the idm sphere; skinny puppy is considered a pioneer in dark music, but they fall equally into both camps (you can dance to it, but you can also interpret it as "art rock" or even "progressive rock").
i think that the "house" in "witch house" is sort of a misnomer. it's not really coming out of that scene. it's more of a watered down type of industrial music.
that said, even if a lot of the influence of the *house/*wave stuff is in the idm sphere, there's really no use in trying to draw a clean partition. i think that certain house artists would argue it's rather insulting to suggest that what they do is never listenable outside of the dance floor - it would strip them of any claim to artistry. the claim may be inherently weaker than in other forms of music, but it's not absent. it's a non-trivial intersection.
there was a band out of chicago in the 80s called die warzau that was close to the chicago house sound, but tossed in all kinds of artistic curves. and, the aphex twin himself came out of the acid house movement.
so, i think you need to rethink that.
jazzy jay
house is house
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