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Friday, May 9, 2014
deathtokoalas
lyric videos are so emo.
Zug Zwang
/Hug
Du kkha
This was the official video, when people didn't even use lyrics videos...
deathtokoalas
well, clearly somebody used lyric videos.
i'm sure the beatles used lyrics videos in their mid-to-late-60s videos, but i can't find a real one.
Du kkha
Sure, but nows is the age of lyrics videos like a pre-release of crappy music.
deathtokoalas
yeah, they're ubiquitous. hence my silly comment.
Arsène Devos
Lol I was actually thinking that REM might be the first emo band :p
deathtokoalas
depends how you define it. it's not dc punk, but i think it had a much larger influence on something like "american football" than ian mackaye did.
Arsène Devos
michael stipe looks like jeremy enigk btw
deathtokoalas
i don't see it past the haircut....
Dancing Spiderman
I need a hug I so emo
slycooper2002
That's odd. I just came back from listening to 'Straight Edge' and 'In My Eyes' by Minor Threat, only to see a comment about DC Punk and Ian Mackaye.
lyric videos are so emo.
Zug Zwang
/Hug
Du kkha
This was the official video, when people didn't even use lyrics videos...
deathtokoalas
well, clearly somebody used lyric videos.
i'm sure the beatles used lyrics videos in their mid-to-late-60s videos, but i can't find a real one.
Du kkha
Sure, but nows is the age of lyrics videos like a pre-release of crappy music.
deathtokoalas
yeah, they're ubiquitous. hence my silly comment.
Arsène Devos
Lol I was actually thinking that REM might be the first emo band :p
deathtokoalas
depends how you define it. it's not dc punk, but i think it had a much larger influence on something like "american football" than ian mackaye did.
Arsène Devos
michael stipe looks like jeremy enigk btw
deathtokoalas
i don't see it past the haircut....
Dancing Spiderman
I need a hug I so emo
slycooper2002
That's odd. I just came back from listening to 'Straight Edge' and 'In My Eyes' by Minor Threat, only to see a comment about DC Punk and Ian Mackaye.
deathtokoalas
sdre goes cock rock. lol. what is it with aging and penis fondling? why do so many musicians over 40 just feel this dramatic urge to pull it out on stage and start spraying all over everybody?
SouthernSouls
not cockrock at all
deathtokoalas
it's the epitome of cock rock, with the slow-moving high decay power chords. could've been an ac/dc demo, really.
davidmreyes77
Sounds more like the Replacements than anything "cock rock"
deathtokoalas
the replacements were cock rock, it was just ac/dc with a less annoying singer and a little less drama.
....but this isn't sappy like that. it's more alice in chains than replacements, and more ac/dc than either.
davidmreyes77
Could you compile a list of 100 guitar bands that you consider cock rock and post it here for us to review?
deathtokoalas
the replacements regularly did kiss covers. it's really not a contentious point - it was cock rock for pretentious rich kids.
davidmreyes77
Narrow minded pretentious rock snobbery aside, I think you're funny.
deathtokoalas
i'm none of those things, except maybe a snob.
davidmreyes77
When I was younger my friends and I generally associated "cock rock" with hair metal bands from the late 80's, eg Poison, Warrant, Cinderella, etc.
deathtokoalas
it's a variation on the same theme. whether the attitude is directed at pretending to have a lot of sex or pretending to read a lot of books, the pretension and over-inflated ego mostly comes off the same way. the replacements were always designed to be arena rock...
davidmreyes77
Yeah, but they sabotaged their own career early on.
Triangulove
The Rhythm section is way different than cock rock. The only similarity to something like AC/DC is the guitar sound during the verses. Specifically the distortion. But the rest of it has a post punk sound.
deathtokoalas
the chorus is very stadium rock. there's no doubt a post-punk aspect, but it's very deeply subsumed in the cock rock.
Lee Fisher
i see you all over music videos you are fucked
deathtokoalas
when the world is presented to you through a haze of artifice and delusion, it is easy to understand why it might seem like the most down to earth and honest person in the room is a little bit loopy.
Lee Fisher
im on youtube, commenting on a music video. no artifice and delusion here amico mio, just fuckin nutters thinking they're fuckin diogenes of sinope
deathtokoalas
well, you've certainly got me wrong if you think i'm a primitivist. i don't even like camping.
Vazz Deferens
I realize I'm months late for this conversation, but it's an interesting topic and I think you could probably write a thesis on it. I believe the truth is this: assuming you are a fairly young person, you should prepare yourself for a life of many musical disappointments. The general trend I've noticed is that bands are at their best for their first few albums (often less) and then very quickly start to suck. Not just at age 40 either....that's generous. WAY before that, most bands just start to suck. Even the best bands you care to name, almost without exception.
Why? People change as they age. I think it's as simple as that. Good musicians don't want to keep rehashing stuff they did 20 years ago. They run out of ideas, feel pressure to sound like whatever got them attention to begin with. Goals, interests, and life get in the way. A lot of times, older bands are just trying to recapture the past.
But not just that, listeners change too. A complicating factor is that as you age, your own tastes evolve and perhaps a band that you would've loved at age 16 sounds repetitive and boring when you're old. You could probably picture this stuff on a graph - time on the x axis, and some level of musical taste or evolution on the y. At different points in your life, different artists will intersect and resonate with your taste.
That said, I actually like this song. I don't see it as a major departure from most of their other stuff - which can be good or bad. I can think of tons of other bands in a similar genre that started great in the early/mid 90's and quickly became much worse (shudder to think, shellac, and jawbreaker immediately come to mind)
deathtokoalas
well, i'm not particularly young, although i've been accused of not being particularly keen to "grow up". but i think you're sort of repeating what i've stated, with just a little bit more detail.
i think this particular type of aging is something inherently connected to the rock era, and has something to do with peeling off layers of ambition. younger musicians tend to be more attached to the idea of doing something different, which tends to recede as the musicians become somewhat jaded with age. with rock musicians, specifically, they tend to end up defaulting to rock in it's most generic forms, and i think it's actually connected to it being what they grew up with.
i don't think you'll see this pattern repeated, exactly, with younger bands as they age, because they didn't grow up listening to kiss or the rolling stones or bruce springsteen the way that most 90s musicians did. whether you're talking about pearl jam or sdre or the foofighters or the chili peppers or whatever else, that seems to be what they've all fallen back towards, as they've lost the revolutionary edge that came with the punk rock that they embraced in their late teens or early twenties.
younger musicians are going to be falling back to their own roots, which is gong to be something different - music of the 80s and 90s. i think you're going to hear a lot of aging indie bands starting to sound suspiciously like rem - or even more so.
for now, though, there doesn't seem to be a way to escape this age-driven regression back to cock rock...
and, there are a few counter-examples, coming out of a different upbringing. consider lee renaldo, who has been slowly turning into phish. it's no secret that the man was a huge grateful dead fan. recent swans is just remarkably indebted to can and pink floyd, in ways that were not previously as obvious. &etc.
where the cock rock comes out is specifically where it was the actual musical foundation of the band all along, but glossed over with then-contemporary ideas.
Vazz Deferens
True - and I still think that we as listeners are partially at fault here. In retrospect you can probably go back to the early albums of bands that proved themselves to be crap and uncover hints that maybe went ignored initially. I haven't listened in years so I can't say, but have you tried going back to Diary or the Pushead single and tried to pick out things that make you say "I shoulda seen this coming." (again I'm not saying I think SDRE are bad...just following up on this idea of bands that ultimately disappoint).
At the end of the day though, I can think of very few bands that don't disappoint eventually. Even if not in the way you mean.
deathtokoalas
i was a huge fan of the pink record, but could never really get into diary. it was for different reasons, though. i was introduced to sdre through the radiohead mailing list, and the pink album really fits together well with ok computer era radiohead, adore period smashing pumpkins, porno for pyros and other things of the sort that existed at the time (i had never heard the term "emo" and never really grasped how it applies to them. apparently, it had to do with a clothing ad using a buzz word that they didn't really understand well.). diary reminded me of something like ben folds five - bland adult contemporary pop music. but that's something removed from cock rock...
i think you can hear more of that in the pink record, but all the harmonies completely overpower it. and it's even stronger in the record after that.
Vazz Deferens
Well I can say for sure that Diary wasn't considered adult pop at the time. It was all high school and college kids going to the shows. I always did sense there was something kinda weird or different about the band. It never seemed right to me that they were on Sub Pop, for one. That label to me growing up was like Am Rep or Touch and Go, with some really awesome heavier and noisier bands. There were some brief moments like that on Diary, but overall no....it's just as strange as Jawbox and Superchunk having songs on the Am Rep singles. I always put SDRE in the same bin as Built to Spill and Modest Mouse, although I could never stand those two bands. Built to Spill had the self-indulgent, 20-minute long guitar solos so it was always much easier for me to despise them. Eventually this "emo" you mentioned became the buzzword, one of the most loathsome developments in all of music, and I just tuned out.
Also I was just thinking it's not just rock that turns to crap. The first couple Public Enemy records were fantastic and then they spiraled into nonsense as well. I think there's just a time when all artists jump the shark.
deathtokoalas
it was just how i perceived it, but you've gotta keep in mind that i was in my early to mid teens so i would have considered somebody in their 20s to be an "adult". i was into all kinds of noisy, chaotic music so these ordered piano-driven tracks were just total "pop rock" to my ears, and ben folds five was just the thing on the radio at the time closest to it. thinking back, it was actually the batman soundtrack that i first heard of them, but i only picked up the pink record after it being raved over by radiohead fans about 97 or so.
there's such a dominant perry farrell influence on the vocals, and there's some huge parallels in the vocal department with what thom yorke was doing through the bends and ok computer that i have a hard time taking them out of the "alternative rock" category. i think people that weren't on that list may be a little surprised about what else was talked about on there, though. sigur ros was also very popular on that list, to the point that i suspect that the list may have launched their career. it may have launched mogwai's career as well. and i was the kid from canada that was ranting and raving about how incredible godspeed you black emperor were at a time when they were still just flat out obscure - and really expanded their listening base. i can't confirm it, but i'm fairly certain that at least one member of 65daysofstatic was a prominent contributor to the list, as well - not to mention a certain bobby henderson from oregon that was studying physics and had this interesting analogy about god and spaghetti monsters. a great resource, while it existed...
i can get putting sdre in the list of 90s emo/indie acts due to the geography, but i just don't hear any remote similarity to those bands at all. i can't get into stuff like built to spill or modest mouse, either. sdre at their best, to me, sounded more like a vocal post-rock act - something like the sea and cake strikes me as a far better comparison.
but i think the absolutely correct, objective way to derive them is through jane's and porno for pyros. they're really a direct corollary of perry farrell. and, if basing your entire sound on perry farrell isn't alt rock, nothing is....
sdre goes cock rock. lol. what is it with aging and penis fondling? why do so many musicians over 40 just feel this dramatic urge to pull it out on stage and start spraying all over everybody?
SouthernSouls
not cockrock at all
deathtokoalas
it's the epitome of cock rock, with the slow-moving high decay power chords. could've been an ac/dc demo, really.
davidmreyes77
Sounds more like the Replacements than anything "cock rock"
deathtokoalas
the replacements were cock rock, it was just ac/dc with a less annoying singer and a little less drama.
....but this isn't sappy like that. it's more alice in chains than replacements, and more ac/dc than either.
davidmreyes77
Could you compile a list of 100 guitar bands that you consider cock rock and post it here for us to review?
deathtokoalas
the replacements regularly did kiss covers. it's really not a contentious point - it was cock rock for pretentious rich kids.
davidmreyes77
Narrow minded pretentious rock snobbery aside, I think you're funny.
deathtokoalas
i'm none of those things, except maybe a snob.
davidmreyes77
When I was younger my friends and I generally associated "cock rock" with hair metal bands from the late 80's, eg Poison, Warrant, Cinderella, etc.
deathtokoalas
it's a variation on the same theme. whether the attitude is directed at pretending to have a lot of sex or pretending to read a lot of books, the pretension and over-inflated ego mostly comes off the same way. the replacements were always designed to be arena rock...
davidmreyes77
Yeah, but they sabotaged their own career early on.
Triangulove
The Rhythm section is way different than cock rock. The only similarity to something like AC/DC is the guitar sound during the verses. Specifically the distortion. But the rest of it has a post punk sound.
deathtokoalas
the chorus is very stadium rock. there's no doubt a post-punk aspect, but it's very deeply subsumed in the cock rock.
Lee Fisher
i see you all over music videos you are fucked
deathtokoalas
when the world is presented to you through a haze of artifice and delusion, it is easy to understand why it might seem like the most down to earth and honest person in the room is a little bit loopy.
Lee Fisher
im on youtube, commenting on a music video. no artifice and delusion here amico mio, just fuckin nutters thinking they're fuckin diogenes of sinope
deathtokoalas
well, you've certainly got me wrong if you think i'm a primitivist. i don't even like camping.
Vazz Deferens
I realize I'm months late for this conversation, but it's an interesting topic and I think you could probably write a thesis on it. I believe the truth is this: assuming you are a fairly young person, you should prepare yourself for a life of many musical disappointments. The general trend I've noticed is that bands are at their best for their first few albums (often less) and then very quickly start to suck. Not just at age 40 either....that's generous. WAY before that, most bands just start to suck. Even the best bands you care to name, almost without exception.
Why? People change as they age. I think it's as simple as that. Good musicians don't want to keep rehashing stuff they did 20 years ago. They run out of ideas, feel pressure to sound like whatever got them attention to begin with. Goals, interests, and life get in the way. A lot of times, older bands are just trying to recapture the past.
But not just that, listeners change too. A complicating factor is that as you age, your own tastes evolve and perhaps a band that you would've loved at age 16 sounds repetitive and boring when you're old. You could probably picture this stuff on a graph - time on the x axis, and some level of musical taste or evolution on the y. At different points in your life, different artists will intersect and resonate with your taste.
That said, I actually like this song. I don't see it as a major departure from most of their other stuff - which can be good or bad. I can think of tons of other bands in a similar genre that started great in the early/mid 90's and quickly became much worse (shudder to think, shellac, and jawbreaker immediately come to mind)
deathtokoalas
well, i'm not particularly young, although i've been accused of not being particularly keen to "grow up". but i think you're sort of repeating what i've stated, with just a little bit more detail.
i think this particular type of aging is something inherently connected to the rock era, and has something to do with peeling off layers of ambition. younger musicians tend to be more attached to the idea of doing something different, which tends to recede as the musicians become somewhat jaded with age. with rock musicians, specifically, they tend to end up defaulting to rock in it's most generic forms, and i think it's actually connected to it being what they grew up with.
i don't think you'll see this pattern repeated, exactly, with younger bands as they age, because they didn't grow up listening to kiss or the rolling stones or bruce springsteen the way that most 90s musicians did. whether you're talking about pearl jam or sdre or the foofighters or the chili peppers or whatever else, that seems to be what they've all fallen back towards, as they've lost the revolutionary edge that came with the punk rock that they embraced in their late teens or early twenties.
younger musicians are going to be falling back to their own roots, which is gong to be something different - music of the 80s and 90s. i think you're going to hear a lot of aging indie bands starting to sound suspiciously like rem - or even more so.
for now, though, there doesn't seem to be a way to escape this age-driven regression back to cock rock...
and, there are a few counter-examples, coming out of a different upbringing. consider lee renaldo, who has been slowly turning into phish. it's no secret that the man was a huge grateful dead fan. recent swans is just remarkably indebted to can and pink floyd, in ways that were not previously as obvious. &etc.
where the cock rock comes out is specifically where it was the actual musical foundation of the band all along, but glossed over with then-contemporary ideas.
Vazz Deferens
True - and I still think that we as listeners are partially at fault here. In retrospect you can probably go back to the early albums of bands that proved themselves to be crap and uncover hints that maybe went ignored initially. I haven't listened in years so I can't say, but have you tried going back to Diary or the Pushead single and tried to pick out things that make you say "I shoulda seen this coming." (again I'm not saying I think SDRE are bad...just following up on this idea of bands that ultimately disappoint).
At the end of the day though, I can think of very few bands that don't disappoint eventually. Even if not in the way you mean.
deathtokoalas
i was a huge fan of the pink record, but could never really get into diary. it was for different reasons, though. i was introduced to sdre through the radiohead mailing list, and the pink album really fits together well with ok computer era radiohead, adore period smashing pumpkins, porno for pyros and other things of the sort that existed at the time (i had never heard the term "emo" and never really grasped how it applies to them. apparently, it had to do with a clothing ad using a buzz word that they didn't really understand well.). diary reminded me of something like ben folds five - bland adult contemporary pop music. but that's something removed from cock rock...
i think you can hear more of that in the pink record, but all the harmonies completely overpower it. and it's even stronger in the record after that.
Vazz Deferens
Well I can say for sure that Diary wasn't considered adult pop at the time. It was all high school and college kids going to the shows. I always did sense there was something kinda weird or different about the band. It never seemed right to me that they were on Sub Pop, for one. That label to me growing up was like Am Rep or Touch and Go, with some really awesome heavier and noisier bands. There were some brief moments like that on Diary, but overall no....it's just as strange as Jawbox and Superchunk having songs on the Am Rep singles. I always put SDRE in the same bin as Built to Spill and Modest Mouse, although I could never stand those two bands. Built to Spill had the self-indulgent, 20-minute long guitar solos so it was always much easier for me to despise them. Eventually this "emo" you mentioned became the buzzword, one of the most loathsome developments in all of music, and I just tuned out.
Also I was just thinking it's not just rock that turns to crap. The first couple Public Enemy records were fantastic and then they spiraled into nonsense as well. I think there's just a time when all artists jump the shark.
deathtokoalas
it was just how i perceived it, but you've gotta keep in mind that i was in my early to mid teens so i would have considered somebody in their 20s to be an "adult". i was into all kinds of noisy, chaotic music so these ordered piano-driven tracks were just total "pop rock" to my ears, and ben folds five was just the thing on the radio at the time closest to it. thinking back, it was actually the batman soundtrack that i first heard of them, but i only picked up the pink record after it being raved over by radiohead fans about 97 or so.
there's such a dominant perry farrell influence on the vocals, and there's some huge parallels in the vocal department with what thom yorke was doing through the bends and ok computer that i have a hard time taking them out of the "alternative rock" category. i think people that weren't on that list may be a little surprised about what else was talked about on there, though. sigur ros was also very popular on that list, to the point that i suspect that the list may have launched their career. it may have launched mogwai's career as well. and i was the kid from canada that was ranting and raving about how incredible godspeed you black emperor were at a time when they were still just flat out obscure - and really expanded their listening base. i can't confirm it, but i'm fairly certain that at least one member of 65daysofstatic was a prominent contributor to the list, as well - not to mention a certain bobby henderson from oregon that was studying physics and had this interesting analogy about god and spaghetti monsters. a great resource, while it existed...
i can get putting sdre in the list of 90s emo/indie acts due to the geography, but i just don't hear any remote similarity to those bands at all. i can't get into stuff like built to spill or modest mouse, either. sdre at their best, to me, sounded more like a vocal post-rock act - something like the sea and cake strikes me as a far better comparison.
but i think the absolutely correct, objective way to derive them is through jane's and porno for pyros. they're really a direct corollary of perry farrell. and, if basing your entire sound on perry farrell isn't alt rock, nothing is....
dogs don't have a maternal instinct to sit on their pups. conversely, dogs are known to smother their pups to death. there's various theories about that, from reducing the stress on the dog to killing off the runts of the litter.
judging from that reaction of sitting on top of him, i'd suspect that the dog is being teased by this child rather badly and that this needs to be corrected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLCoTP2vf44
judging from that reaction of sitting on top of him, i'd suspect that the dog is being teased by this child rather badly and that this needs to be corrected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLCoTP2vf44
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